Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

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  • Published: 09 October 2019
  • Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.

    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.

    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,

    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."

    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,

    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"

    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,

    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."

    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!

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  • Looper
    Looper   2 weeks back

    How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • Jon Candy
      Jon Candy  13 hours back

      It all happened. Why would he imagine someone else other than himself killing Bruce's parents? Why would he even imagine Bruce or thomas Wayne in the first place? All he wanted in the end was to be noticed and be important, and looked up to. Once he accomplished that he didn't care where he was. He still has a long way to go to become the actual criminal genius mastermind that we all know and love. This movie was just the beginning of the turmoil in Gotham that Batman's whole story is based on.

    • happinesstan
      happinesstan  2 days back

      Most of it. The scene in which he is in the audience at Murray's show (I have my suspicions that Murray's joke may have also been Arthur's delusion, based on the fact that Arthur laughs in time) and his relationship are delusions. The 3 flashback scenes that many complain about, grounds the rest of the story [up to that point] in reality.

      I think the joke is that Arthur has lived a life of obscurity in a society where he doesn't belong, but now that society has placed him where they think he belongs, he will gain notoriety. I'm no Batman aficionado, but it strikes me that Joker's success could be in his ability to manipulate the minds of the criminally insane. As a talented clown he has alreay demonstrated his ability to mesmerise.

      However, I do believe there is one joke aimed at the audience. And that joke is introduced in the scene which introduces the cinema audience [it seems painfully obvious]. In 1981 the audience are watching a 1936 film, named 'Modern Times', laughing, whilst outside the world destroys itself. It reminds me that it is over 40 years since Scorsese entertained us all with his warnings, and yet here we are again.

      Top film.

    • Sevren Hoover
      Sevren Hoover  4 days back

      Pogokoala agree 110%

    • Painted Solace
      Painted Solace  4 days back

      @Ben Owen was that not the same person?

    • Originality Am
      Originality Am  4 days back

      It's multiple choice .

  • Light Screening
    Light Screening  5 hours back

    True, not true, multiple choice or not it's a great story that raises several social and political questions... Couldn't escape them when I reviewed it.

    • Omniscience
      Omniscience  5 hours back

      I think the joke was that: Joker created Batman

      • Παναγιώτης Δημ. Τσιγκρής

        A very good movie inspired you to have a good yogurt and fresh tomatoes to throw on the big screen!!!

        • Bicey
          Bicey  8 hours back

          If the whole movie is just a random crazy person in Arkham Asylum, I will be very, very disappointed. I wanted to see a movie about Joker.. not some random nutcase playing make believe in his head.

          • Ett Gammalt Bergtroll
            Ett Gammalt Bergtroll  9 hours back

            That would literally ruin the movie if true.

            • Degal 76
              Degal 76  9 hours back

              “Sybil”

              • N3AUDIO
                N3AUDIO  11 hours back

                How can I dislike this video MORE than one time?

                • TheColossalBlanket
                  TheColossalBlanket  11 hours back

                  God I hope it isn't a whole 'it was all in his head' thing. That should've started and ended with fight club.

                  • Joesefsky 12354
                    Joesefsky 12354  12 hours back

                    Has anyone found the name of the background music in this video?

                    • Deepfire67
                      Deepfire67  12 hours back

                      They can tell us what they actually meant for it to be, or we can all just agree to keep it as Arthur actually being The Joker and all of this actually happened

                      • Daniel Pfeifer
                        Daniel Pfeifer  12 hours back

                        Notice that the train he was sitting in in the scene were he allegedly bothered this ladys kid and at the end were looking quite similar? Maybe this was the point where he started fantasising because he was bored and wasnt allowed to make the kid laught anymore sk he just thought abkut what makes himself laugh

                        • Konrad Wawrzyniak
                          Konrad Wawrzyniak  12 hours back

                          I like to think a final joke is something like: "What you get if you cross an elite boy with a hateful, lost society that killed his parents in front of him?".

                          I mean, at the final scene in Arkham Asylum there is a picture of young Bruce standing clueless behind his dead parents, while Joker's laughing background. That is an only picture showed, besides current time situation in hospital. It must means something and surely is connected with a joke.

                          Theory that a whole plot was a joke is a joke itself. Must be. But of course there are arguments in favor of it. Matter of interpretation. Those who don't want to see a problem presented, maybe will take it. And I hope that will be only the Academy, cause otherwise I'm really concerned about Oscar's rewarding fairness this year.

                          Media lost it's way.

                          • Ceedot
                            Ceedot  13 hours back

                            If they make a movie so groundbreaking then do nothing else with the story and then they're just as stupid as justice league haha, Phoenix was the perfect role

                            • Omar Refaat
                              Omar Refaat  13 hours back

                              I don't think that he is THE JOKER at least it's not the movie name, it was clear as crystal '' Joker '' . I think he is a joker who fooled us with this big joke of being the real JOKER.

                              • Gábor Lengyel
                                Gábor Lengyel  13 hours back

                                People have to just STOP considering this “nothing was real” bullshit. In the Killing Joke, Arthur the bad comedian turns into Joker, so it’s exactly what happened in the movie as well. The only things that were imagined were the Sophie interactions and him appearing on the Murray Franklin Show.

                                • Jon Candy
                                  Jon Candy  13 hours back

                                  Lol i think at the end he just has nowhere to go so they find him and send him to Arkham. He's not the joker yet either way. The joker is a criminal geniud mastermind, and he wasn't quite there yet. I believe he needs a little Arkham to complete his transition. Maybe he'll meet a few friends there as well.

                                  • Carlos Fernandez
                                    Carlos Fernandez  14 hours back

                                    So cool

                                    • S.C
                                      S.C  14 hours back

                                      Can't figure why time 11:11 appears on clocks at least 3 times: the first therapy session, asylum flasback and on the time card thing. Any theories? Phillips sort of said two times is a coincidence but we don't think so

                                      • David Solomie
                                        David Solomie  15 hours back

                                        It's simple. Joker realised that the chain of events that he kickstarted ended with Thomas Wayne's death. He finds it funny that he indirectly killed Thomas.

                                        • Pobzify
                                          Pobzify  15 hours back

                                          I don't care if Joaquin's Joker is gonna have a face-off with Batman or not, just give us a sequel!!! 😂

                                          • Testus Test
                                            Testus Test  19 hours back

                                            Thomas Wayne:
                                            "...those of us who´ve made a good life for ourselves will always look at those who haven´t as nothing but clowns"

                                            Bruce Wayne:
                                            "As a man, I'm flesh and blood, I can be ignored, I can be destroyed; but as a symbol... as a symbol I can be incorruptible, I can be everlasting."

                                            Joker:
                                            "C´mon, Murray, do I look like the kind of clown who could start a movement?"

                                            • Dark Chocolate
                                              Dark Chocolate  20 hours back

                                              It's just a movie, geez. None of it really happened. Just watch it and enjoy.

                                              • PolarPhantom
                                                PolarPhantom  21 hours back

                                                "This is an imaginary story.

                                                "Aren't they all?"

                                                • Curlieq55
                                                  Curlieq55  22 hours back

                                                  Well, he can’t be the Joker as Batman’s nemesis because of the age difference between Arthur and Bruce Wayne. I feel that the movie’s real takeaway is how society treats its mentally ill and its lower middle class to poor. Joker was just the vehicle.

                                                  • Siddhant Upadhyay
                                                    Siddhant Upadhyay  24 hours back

                                                    I hope the killings were not a imagination because he is a DC villain for god’s sake

                                                    • Peter Krug
                                                      Peter Krug  1 days back

                                                      Other than the scene we see early on where Arthur is on Murrays show and Murray hugs him (which I think is pretty obvious just Arthurs fantasy) I assumed every scene in the film was supposed to have really happened. (In the films fictional world, that is.)

                                                      • DRE Dre
                                                        DRE Dre  1 days back

                                                        Maybe r a k i m' s character inspired the joker

                                                        • DogeBread
                                                          DogeBread  1 days back

                                                          NOW.
                                                          THATS.
                                                          NOT.
                                                          FUNNY.

                                                          • arno olv
                                                            arno olv  1 days back

                                                            Then why is this a DC movie if isn’t in anyway related to the Joker.

                                                            • Joe Second
                                                              Joe Second  1 days back

                                                              Arthur is roughly 35 years older than Bruce in this world. This joker would be 80 by the time Batman is Batman.

                                                              • oskari lepisto
                                                                oskari lepisto  2 days back

                                                                why cant this movie just be a true story about the 1 and only joker

                                                                • Daniele Manno
                                                                  Daniele Manno  2 days back

                                                                  Great video

                                                                  • ShockwaveDawn
                                                                    ShockwaveDawn  2 days back

                                                                    I was thinking a lot about "Gotham" (the show), where the backstory of the Joker is also presented, but also with the idea that the Joker comes from seeing the events happening around him, rather than actually being part of the events. In "Gotham" the character of Jerome also inspires the people to become "Jokers", and so it's implied - although we never see the actual Joker - that he was influenced by a maniac and so came to be, still without us knowing his actual background.

                                                                    • St Pietro
                                                                      St Pietro  2 days back

                                                                      This is a really good movie but if they’re not connecting it to the new Batman it was a waste. The problem with the dceu is that they can’t keep an actor and make the movies connect. I hope they reevaluate and connect this with the new Batman movie. I don’t want to have to watch shitty marvel movies

                                                                      • Youngdon Thesauceking
                                                                        Youngdon Thesauceking  2 days back

                                                                        I don’t get why they wouldn’t continue this joker and create their own universe, to me this is like the true beginning of the dceu. What’s the point of making a joker movie, casting Robert Pattinson as Batman, and showing Batman’s origin story, just to stop it here.

                                                                        • Rolnik Aitmatov
                                                                          Rolnik Aitmatov  2 days back

                                                                          To be fair, when there was the scene where he was in the police car with the "white room" playing I kinda wanted too to go on a riot

                                                                          • Bąbel
                                                                            Bąbel  2 days back

                                                                            I honestly, after reading people's theories and having watched the film once, have shifted this way: (because of one detail)


                                                                            At no point in the story is it mentioned where he actually got his scars. What we know is that he must've acquired them before all the story of The Dark Knight, and essentially every film that comes after Joker (2019). Taking this into consideration, I've come to believe that he is NOT the real Joker. He is one of the possibilities the real Joker's plot could've gone towards.

                                                                            Let me explain: this film is not the original prequel to the story of the Joker himself, but a parallel prequel in time to the actual prequel that is to come some day. This would explain the director's precise answer, that Joaqin's Joker WILL NOT cross with The Batman in the sequel, because he simply isn't the Joker and will have his parallel storyline, which might, for example, show the escalation of the real Joker's action's, and Arthur taking the blame (his conscience or otherwise), going insane, and ending up locked up because of a MEMBER OF SOCIETY that wanted to show how society is bad, closing the loop because of actually making one of his soulmates suffer in the process. That would've been the joke.. This way, the last scene of Joker (2019) would be situated in time when the chaos starts to spin off some point in time when the actual Joker goes on a killing spree.

                                                                            • Adrian Schneider
                                                                              Adrian Schneider  2 days back

                                                                              Think about Ben affleck the worst Batman who had no Joker in his movies. Arthur Fleck is a Joke about Ben affleck as Batman and is just a „JOKE“ from the Joker. Behause we Never Heard- of the Name Arthur Fleck. Jack napier is a name i Heard

                                                                              • Fly wie Lubitz
                                                                                Fly wie Lubitz  2 days back

                                                                                The real joker lives in a society

                                                                                • Adrian Schneider
                                                                                  Adrian Schneider  2 days back

                                                                                  Arthur Fleck is just a „Joke“ from the Joker. Its exactly this Kind of Humor. Thats why he Said „you wouldnt understand“. it was the First „real“ scene.

                                                                                  • Elena Sos
                                                                                    Elena Sos  2 days back

                                                                                    Todd Phillips is an amazing filmmaker

                                                                                    • fact gasm
                                                                                      fact gasm  2 days back

                                                                                      Personally I thought the last scene was straightforward enough. Joker walks away, leaving his psychiatrist's blood in his footprints.


                                                                                      "You won't get it" he says.

                                                                                      • fact gasm
                                                                                        fact gasm  2 days back

                                                                                        Superb movie. The makers really understood how someone can slide all the way from struggling with life all the way to insanity. I felt very sorry indeed for the main character. He had a bad start in life and took one huge blow after another in quick succession with no safety net there to catch him. That's why he resorted to suicide ideation. He couldn't take being who he was any longer, being a no-one, rejected, humiliated and tormented every direction he turned. He had to become someone else. Once he found a source of strength, a way to punish and to eliminate those who wronged him, he felt power - probably for the first time in his life - and suddenly he was a someone.

                                                                                        • fact gasm
                                                                                          fact gasm  2 days back

                                                                                          Superb movie. The makers really understood how someone can slide all the way from struggling with life all the way to insanity. I felt very sorry indeed for the main character. He had a bad start in life and took one huge blow after another in quick succession with no safety net there to catch him. That's why he resorted to suicide ideation. He couldn't take being who he was any longer, being a no-one, rejected, humiliated and tormented every direction he turned. He had to become someone else. Once he found a source of strength, a way to punish and to eliminate those who wronged him, he felt power - probably for the first time in his life - and suddenly he was a someone.

                                                                                          • Aglaitso
                                                                                            Aglaitso  2 days back

                                                                                            So... no one's going to talk about the "Arthur flex" on the beginning?

                                                                                            • Noël de Cocq van Delwijnen

                                                                                              If the whole movie is an imagination of Phoenix or he tells a story because he wants to chose a past, why would he have any imagination inside his imagination? He tells a story about his past but within that story he makes up things wich he believes really happened.......in his imagination that is because he tells a story...that doesn't make any sense. So for me everything really happened except offcourse being in the audience with Murray and having a girlfriend.

                                                                                              • Ryan English
                                                                                                Ryan English  2 days back

                                                                                                Don’t shit on a masterpiece by saying “it was all a dream” 😑